Religion

Anonymous

Religion

As I get older, religion becomes more and more far fetched for me. I have many friends who are religious and I wholeheartedly respect their choices. Whilst I can respect a person's choice to be religious and to have a strong faith in something they beleive in, personally for me I can't commit to or believe in religion. I feel like religion is something that is so blatantly false..elaborate stories formed at one point to engage cult like behaviour. Am I the only one? Purely my personal opinion and I reach out in an anonymous forum as I don't feel comfortable discussing with friends and have them feeling like I am judging their faith.

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Anonymous

Does it really matter? Some people find comfort in God. As long as they aren't hurting anyone who cares.
I know people who believe that positive energy formed by your hands will cure illness...we all believe something that someone else will find ridiculous but it would be pretty boring if we all believed the same thing.

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Anonymous

Original poster here.. I clearly stated I respect a person's choice to follow a faith. I however am suddenly finding myself looking at religion and thinking how blatantly obvious it is (to me personally) that it is all fiction. It's not a question of whether people have a right or whether it affects others. It's a question of, does anyone feel the same. Thank you for your reply but you haven't actually been helpful here

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Anonymous

"I feel like religion is something that is so blatantly false..elaborate stories formed at one point to engage cult like behaviour"

That sentence right there sounds very judgmental to me...I'm sure you'll find lots of people who agree with you. But just know you will offend people with this post and you are going to need to be prepared for those comments as well.

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Anonymous

OThats the very point of the post. The whole idea that your own much more logical fact based opinion is not acceptable and will offend, yet religion can assert a right to public respect and not be criticised.

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Anonymous

The comment isn't judgemental. It's observational. Like any subject broached on this forum, opinions will differ. So while it isn't your truth, it's the OP's. And that should be respected. I believe and can look past my own opinion to see other sides. Everyone should be doing the same. If they can't, this isn't the discussion for them ✌

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Anonymous

Yes I agree its the biggest load of crap and just insane that we have to respect peoples right to believe in it. In the privacy of their home, but not happy when it demands public acceptance.

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Anonymous

You're not alone in feeling this way, atheism isn't a new concept.
What exactly are you hope to gain from this question though? It's already caused divisiveness and judgemental comments ("religion is a load of crap"). I feel like all you want is for people to agree with you that is all 'fiction'.
I have friends who are deeply religious and I have no religious inclination at all, I believe in science and fact, we all respect each others beliefs and are all very comfortable with our own. Im not sure why you need to question this to be honest.

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Anonymous

why dont you respect my belief that its a load of crap as equally as you do others persons beliefs in religion? Maybe thats why shes posting but nice try to shut her up.

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Anonymous

I respect your choice to not believe in religion. I do not respect your decision to tell people what they believe in is a load of crap and that those of us who are not religious shouldn't have to respect their beliefs.
Telling people their religion is bullshit is as bad as the people trying to impose their religious beliefs upon you.
That respect goes both ways, if you want people to respect your beliefs, you have to respect theirs. Simple really!

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Anonymous

So i can think its a load of crap I just cant say it out loud? Thanks for clarifying your opinion.

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Anonymous

Also just think for a moment, do you try to silence religious opinions too or only get offended by non believers sharing their opinions?

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Anonymous

Why exactly is it perfectly fine for someone who believes in religion to discuss their beliefs (no matter how outrageous) in any forum public or not, but people who don't believe and just want to discuss this are not allowed to?

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Anonymous

You have clearly missed my point! I am not religious myself and I certainly don't agree with some aspects of certain faiths but that doesn't mean we as non believers get to disrespect other people's beliefs.
I am not trying to silence anyone's opinions, I don't care what people believe in. The point I am trying to make is that one persons beliefs are not superior to anyone else's.
I certainly wasn't trying to silence to original poster but I was questioning her motives with this post, knowing full well what a controversial topic this is.

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Anonymous

Ok different poster here I think you are missing the point. The original poster clearly stated she respects others choice to have their own beliefs. She is not shouting at the top of her lungs in a church it's all bullshit now is she? She has come to a page to discuss her beliefs and concerns with like minded people. She is not on a religious page arrogantly telling them they are fools. She also clearly states she is uncomfortable discussing this in person with friends and family because of the offence it may cause. Religious people literally door knock spout their propaganda but this person can't anonymously go on the internet and have a calm discussion and find others who have similar beliefs because it is disrespectful? That is ridiculous if anyone is religious and is offended by this topic it is very simple and easy to close the page and trod on.

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Anonymous

Because we try and be civilised and get along with one another :)

They can tell you right back that YOUR opinion is a load of crap but an eye for an eye will leave the world blind, yeah?

There are enough people telling one another that what they think/believe/do is a load of crap... I don't know why you'd want to add to that. If you are questioning your faith, your beliefs etc that is different. There are some really good resources, societies and groups that you can join and have some really good philosophical discussions without it descending into a pissing match on who is wrong and who is right :)

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Anonymous

Yes! That was exactly what I was trying to say. If we were all a bit more respectful with our opinions the world would be a better place.

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Anonymous

Religion is a cult and humans are gullible. Millions of people suffer at the hand of religion and yet people turn a blind eye. If there was a god I doubt we would have all the suffering going on in the world. Believing in God is just like believing in Santa. HE ISN'T REAL. As someone who was raised a Catholic I despise everything THIS religion and others stand for.

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Anonymous

Look, we have a rule in our house - religion is like a penis. Its a perfectly fine thing for one to have and enjoy, but if you take it out and wave it around my face, we have a problem.

I believe in science and fact, but part of me believes in something else...Not sure what. I'm NOT Christian and our family is a bit of everything. But my beliefs are my own. I have deeply religious friends who know my point of view and we have family who have somehow ended up as born again Christians. No idea how or why that happened, but we still love them...as long they follow the rule of no religious talk with us and our children and in turn, we try really really hard not to be assholes back to them and make fun of their new found beliefs.

"I feel like religion is something that is so blatantly false" - may be it is...and some times people grow and develop and change their opinions and views. I don't know what the answer it, but just because its blatantly false to you doesn't mean that others will see it the same way.

Personally, what *I* don't like about religion is not the concept, but the people behind it.
- The people who have known about child abuse within religious organisations and have done nothing about it.
- The people who preach hate and intolerance in the name of God.
- The people who commit horrific crimes in the name of whatever God/deity they believe in.
- The people who profit from the sick and the poor, whilst raking in millions for their church.
- The people who portray themselves to be holier than thou, but behind closed doors, are greedy, lying selfish bastard.

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Anonymous

I am "atheist" but even that in itself is too much for me because it identifies me as a follower of something. I literally have no belief or following.

Most of my friends are very religious and from a "cult" like religion with traditions that others would think is strange. I respect everything they choose to do and have attended some things with them to show support.

I don't mind religion in the slightest however what really bugs me is people who post on FB saying "good luck I will pray for you" or "god bless you" etc. on things relating to me (e.g when pregnant). I'd prefer a simple I'll be thinking of you. I sometimes feel that they're not respecting my beliefs back but I move along because first world problems 😝

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Anonymous

Religion is not for me, that's all I say when people ask me.

I have some quite religious friends and some that are religious but dont follow all the laws of their religion if that makes sense.

My future in laws are religious and say a grace every time they sit there to eat, when I'm in their home I sit there in silence and say nothing but I respect that this is how they are. My OH is not religious yet follows his parents with their prayers as it's respectful for him to do so whilst in their house. My children have no religious teachings at all and I'd rather they not be confused but won't stop them when they're old enough to make their own decisions.

I believe in the whole live and let live practice. I also agree with the penis analogy it's all well and good to have one but don't come and wave it in my face or knock on my door to talk to me about it etc I can't wait to move and allow the dog to roam about so I don't have them knock on my door, maybe they might be able to walk the other 200m to the fmil house and visit her if he lets them 😂

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Anonymous

You are not the first not will you be the last. Most of us though just quietly accept it for what it is and go about our godless lives.

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Anonymous

Definitely not religious in this house. I think the vast majority of Australians are non believers (based on the latest census, can't be bothered googling to confirm again).

My parents were not religious and I remember questioning religion as soon as religious studies began in primary school (NSW). Luckily we moved to SA where religion is not part of the education program in state schools, other than touching on it as part of discussing different cultures.

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Anonymous

I was raised by one Christian and one atheist. I don't go to church or believe myself. But I don't really see why what I believe is relevant to what the next person believes? Their faith brings them comfort. That's great for them!

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Anonymous

I don't have belief in an religion or deity either. I can't reconcile a creator with the scientific evidence of evolution, not to mention all of the horrific things done in the name of religion. You are not on your own.

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Kelly De Vries

Hey gang - Kelly here from The Imperfect Mum team. 

Wow - a lot of comments on this one! Great to see people engaging in conversation on the site in a safe place! Awesome! :-)
 

I would like to hear from the original poster before I share it to facebook though - would you like this to go to facebook? I know religion is (sadly) one of those topics that can bring out the worst in people, so I'm hesitant in starting something.

It's a topic I'm VERY intersted in though - so I'm glad you asked it!

 

People would consider me to be highly religious (attending church / following Jesus' teachings / my husband is even a pastor!)  ...but I guess I don't see it that way. 

Faith is believing in something that is sometimes hard to believe in - because you don't always see proof. Or it's a relationship. I'm talking to God - but He sometimes takes a while to talk back :-) (if at all!) 

Like the first commentor said though - He IS my comfort in this crazy, sometimes horrible and mixed up world. Something to hold onto when people let me down or something is out of our control. His ways of telling me to 'Love my enemies' or 'Do to others what you want them to do to you' - when I want to be selfish, He encourages me to think of others. 

 

 

I agree with this commentors statements though... FOR SURE - I also get frustrated at these people too..... 
 

"- The people who have known about child abuse within religious organisations and have done nothing about it.
- The people who preach hate and intolerance in the name of God.
- The people who commit horrific crimes in the name of whatever God/deity they believe in.
- The people who profit from the sick and the poor, whilst raking in millions for their church.
- The people who portray themselves to be holier than thou, but behind closed doors, are greedy, lying selfish bastard."

 

Religion has a lot to answer for. People are not perfect. That's why I need God :-) 

xKelly 

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Anonymous

Hi Kelly
Original poster here. I am happy for this to be added to fb. I am genuinely interested in the opinions of others and I remain realistic and respectfully aware of the fact that it is quite a loaded question. Everyone is entitled to their opinions and I wholeheartedly respect them. Xx

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Anonymous

Couldn't agree more. I'll go a step further though and say I find it really hard to be friends with people who are very religious. In my opinion it's practically the same as believing in fairytales, when you grow up, you understand it's just not true. That's not meant to be an attack at those who are, their belief is there choice and I respect that (as long as it's not thrust down my throat!) i guess it's ingrained in me to question everything. To me, they are like sheep, easily led by a fictional story they've been told is true. I'm no genius but I can't believe in something I've not seen. I get that that's what faith is, believing in something without proof but I can't fathom how someone who is intelligent and articulate and worldly can believe in an entity they have no proof actually exists, especially when it's widely known that he bible has been manipulated throughout history to get people to do what the church wanted. But each to their own. I generally keep my opinions about this to myself, except in this instance cos I can do it anonymously 😉

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Anonymous

Totally with you honey!! Brought up strict catholic my oarents are what u call devout. Our kids will never go for it- they re taight to question investigate hypothesise..with no coaching my 9 yo says 'mum, i think they jus made up church to hassle everyone to ruin their sunday and make them sit there for an hour'.
Ironically, ISIS opened my eyes. The blind belief , controlling behaviour, living in fear of an unseen deity so u must obey their rules or burn- ultimate manipulation- i loved u so much i sent my son to die for u- what the actual!!!!
As with u, i dont share. This opinion much, only where im safe. And i would never challenge my aging parents beliefs- they ve built their lives around it. Till humans learn to run on hope and gratitude instead of fear, organised religion will have a stronghold. Im grateful my little can see through it xx

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Anonymous

I grew up in a Christian family and even though my husband is not religious, I have found a lot of comfort in God over the years and pray regularly putting my trust in him watching over myself, my family and my friends.
What I have struggled with as an adult, however, is some of my family and their beliefs. For example one of my siblings has some pretty awful anxiety issues that really need addressing by a mental health professional. The issues effect her life on a regular basis. I have spoken to her about counselling, offered to take her myself if shes nervous to go alone. Her response is always the same, 'I will talk to the minister because I only want to talk to someone who shares my beliefs'...and the issues are left untreated and effecting her. Thats the part I struggle with. When we have all these amazing medical professionals who can help, and God has given them the abilities to help and given us knowledge on mental health so people aren't left suffering, but they aren't used. :(

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